[rohrpost] So. 7.8. 21 Uhr: Family Guy - The Movie (a.k.a. Stewie Griffin - The Untold Story)

pirate cinema berlin sebastian at rolux.org
Sam Aug 6 12:00:12 CEST 2005


                Family Guy - The Movie (a.k.a. Stewie Griffin - The Untold Story)
                 88 Minutes, 731076608 bytes, US Release Date: September 27, 2005

                            Sunday, August 7, 2005, 9:00 pm, Pirate Cinema Berlin
                   Ziegelstrasse 20, S Oranienburger Strasse, U Oranienburger Tor

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"Family Guy" ist eine US-amerikanische Zeichentrickserie, die - selbst ziemlich
erfolgreich - das Erfolgsmodell der Simpsons kopiert: sowohl das Setting ("In a
wacky Rhode Island town, a dysfunctional family strive to cope with everyday
life as they are thrown from one crazy scenario to another." - IMDb.com) als
auch einen ziemlich speziellen Humor ("In one episode, Stewie attempts go
through an airport metal detector, and he tries to create a diversion to avoid
the screener from looking at the monitor and seeing a weapon in his bag. To
create the diversion he sings 'On The Good Ship Lollypop' to get their
attention. Once his bag is through and he starts to walk away, he makes the
comment that he hopes Osama Bin Laden doesn't know any show tunes. Then we see
Osama Bin Laden singing and dancing for the guards as a distraction. This scene
has since been removed from repeats." - IMDb.com), der vor allem durch die
enorme Menge völlig beiläufiger und zugleich absolut präziser Verweise auf
Phänomene des popkulturellen und politischen Tagesgeschäfts besticht, deren
blosser Nachvollzug ganze kulturwissenschaftliche Fakultäten beschäftigen
könnte. Und wer Google nach Family Guy + Simpsons befragt, lernt zudem, dass
im Juli sogar eine offizielle Fehde zwischen den beiden Serien ausgebrochen ist.

"Family Guy" nicht zu kennen ist, wenn man zumindest mit den Simpsons halbwegs
vertraut ist, keine allzu dramatische Bildungslücke (von Europa aus betrachtet
wirkt die Serie ohnehin flacher, ordinärer und irgendwie "amerikanischer"), und
"Family Guy - The Movie" einem Publikum, das die Simpsons schon gesehen hat
(www.piratecinema.org/screenings/20050327), vorzuenthalten, wäre im Grunde auch
kein besonders schweres Verbrechen - auch wenn die Rahmenhandlung ziemlich gut
ins Pirate Cinema passt: Bei "The Movie" handelt es sich nämlich genaugenommen
nicht um den Film, sondern um eine Fernsehsendung über die Kino-Premiere des
Films (der allerdings gar nicht im Kino, sondern nur auf DVD erscheinen soll),
deren Hauptteil, der Film nämlich, von einem Fernsehteam mit versteckter Kamera
und inklusive Werbung von der Leinwand abgefilmt wird, und die, logischerweise,
mit der Live-Übertragung der After Show Party endet: "Oh, it sucked!" - "Who do
I see about getting the last two hours of my life back?" - "If I had wanted to
hear 81 minutes of gay bashing, I would have gone to my father's house..."

Tatsächlich zeigen wir den Film aber vor allem, weil sich auf diese Weise die
Gelegenheit bietet, im Anhang unserer Ankündigung (also ein paar Zeilen weiter
unten) eine Debatte zu dokumentieren, die in der vergangenen Woche in einem
Diskussions-Forum der Internet Movie Database stattgefunden hat und in der das
Downloaden des Films (der zwar der erst am 27. September veröffentlicht werden
soll, in den einschlägigen Filesharing-Netzwerken aber längst so weit verbreitet
ist, dass er sich schneller runterladen als anschauen lässt) besprochen wurde.
Was dort nämlich in gerade mal 48 Stunden von ein paar Kindern und Arbeitslosen
(die IMDb-Foren muss man sich als einen ziemlich entlegenen, kargen Winkel des
Internet, als das genaue Gegenteil eines Cineasten-Salons vorstellen) verhandelt
wurde, ist derart interessant, dass man sich fragt, wie das Gerücht von den
angeblichen Verblödungseffekten von Filesharing-Software und Internet-Foren
jemals hat aufkommen können, oder wann man zuletzt in den Gängen eines Kinos
oder zwischen den Regalen einer Videothek ein auch nur annähernd so kluges,
fachkundiges und unterhaltsames Gespräch belauscht hat. Besonders lustig ist,
dass diese Debatte, die sich an der Frage entzündet hatte, ob es was bringt,
runtergeladene Filme wieder zu löschen, mittlerweile selbst von der IMDb-Website
gelöscht wurde. Aber das Gute am Internet ist ja, dass dort nie etwas wegkommt.

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Board: Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story! (2005)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0385690/board/nest/23358400

Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Fri Jul 29 2005 01:23:05)

     If you have downloaded this movie illegaly than please delete it
     immediately.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
tommyd052802 (Fri Jul 29 2005 01:48:22)

     Listen, I'm not gonna be a jerk here so I'm gonna be as nice as possible.
     There is no way anyone is going to jail for downloading this movie. Even if
     Fox tracked down every bootleg site and P2P Network that had it available,
     they are not going to track every IP Address and sue everyone. Let's say
     they do, in some crazy backwards world, even if we all delete the files...
     the IP mark remains. I have a suggestion if this thread scares you. Delete
     the movie off your hard drive and put it on a disc. Just remember to buy it
     when it comes out on DVD.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Fri Jul 29 2005 01:56:39)

     You don't know Fox too well. Maybe perhaps this leaked out on purpose to
     fodder Fox's draconian war against copyright infringment and that The Family
     Guy was brought back to television only because of its high DVD sales, which
     will be incredibly low in september, something the Fox network is likely to
     use as jet fuel for what is a soon coming legislation for P2P blockers, and
     maybe I do or don't work for fox and know this.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
krazed (Fri Jul 29 2005 02:29:30)

     *GASP* So mysterious! Does he work for Fox or doesn't he?! OMG! I CAN'T TAKE
     THE SUSPENSE!

     Pfft, the person who replied is right. It's not worth it for Fox to try and
     charge every single person who downloads this.

     But like I care anyway, a friend downloaded it and sent it to me. :)

     ---
     "Break me off a switch, son. There's about to be a whoopin!" - Faith

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Fri Jul 29 2005 02:55:03)

     You people have absolutely no idea what is going on in congress right now,
     do you?

     If the MPAA and RIAA get its way Operating Systems such as Windows and OSx
     (excluding Linux so long as the already in danger GNU remains legal and
     intact) will be forced to use P2P blockers. Imagine turning your computer on
     and getting a Messenger announcement that if you don't DL the new
     anti-piracy service pack your copy of windows will remotely disable, or
     remotely disable immediately if you have the Messenger system disabled,
     leaving you with a blue screen and a number to call. there is even a way to
     do this with pirated versions of windows obtained through corporations that
     don't require registration/activation.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
PeteyParker (Fri Jul 29 2005 07:56:30)

     You act like they are going to get their way. There is no way legislation
     like that will ever pass. If anything there would be a huge backlash against
     the MPAA and RIAA from something like this. Do you honestly think that
     people would put up with something like you're suggesting? Privacy advocates
     are already challenging this.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Jack_Mehoffer (Fri Jul 29 2005 13:38:59)

     Even if this was true, I'm sure the different communities of programmers
     would devise either a way to reverse the remote disable software or just
     come up with a new operating system.

     If you think about it, with electronics and software, they can make it as
     difficult as possible to get around copy protection measures, but it will
     not be 100%. There is always a weak spot to any security system (be it
     physical, mechanical, electonic, or even the human factor).

     This battle will not be won in our life time or even this websites'
     lifetime.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
dead-killa (Fri Jul 29 2005 14:27:36)

     if it ever even came down 2 that ppl would make a work around to that
     anyways

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
trogdor33 (Sat Jul 30 2005 10:25:38)

     Well, never underestimate the ability of legislators to approve jackass laws
     that undermine our country. Look at how they just approved Nafta's crumby
     successor Cafta. As a programmer myself I know as well as anyone that
     anything that can be built can be unbuilt and any software protection that
     can be created can be worked around. I guarantee that as soon as such a
     worthless law comes out, cracking teams everywhere will be rushing to be the
     first ones to circumvent it.

     As far as the law is concerned. Bit torrent is about the safest way to
     download copyright protected files. This is because you can't get in trouble
     for having the pirated copy on your computer, you can't get in trouble for
     downloading it, but YOU CAN get in trouble for distributing it. So as long
     as you close your download before you have uploaded a complete copy, they
     can't get you.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
darth_nax (Sat Jul 30 2005 21:47:19) UPDATED Sat Jul 30 2005 23:53:00

     > As far as the law is concerned. Bit torrent is about the safest way to
     > download copyright protected files. This is because you can't get in
     > trouble for having the pirated copy on your computer, you can't get in
     > trouble for downloading it, but YOU CAN get in trouble for distributing
     > it. So as long as you close your download before you have uploaded a
     > complete copy, they can't get you.

     Hehe...Wrong in so many ways. Nothing anywhere says you have to upload a
     full file. Kinda like being a little preggers. Think about it, all those
     people who shared on Kazaa and the rest jointly uploaded parts of the exact
     same file to the exact same people, they still got busted.

     Besides, bittorrent is slow and designed to be tracked.

     If you want fast and secure downloads get GrabIt and start using binary
     newsgroups. Download as fast as your ISP allows, more content in every
     category than you could ever use (30 terabytes at any given moment) and all
     the new stuff faster than bittorrent (seeing as how it doesn't take two days
     to d/l a dvd with newsgroups).

     Oh, and no tracking. The only people who know are your isp's. The **AA's
     have to know that you're d/l it before they can subpeona your isp. With this
     there's no way to get that information. All the information stays with the
     isp and they can't release it without a subpeona. The **AA's can get a
     subpeona since they can't see your downloading at all.

     Just never, ever upload. Ever.

     Got it. Good. Now you have the power. Use it.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Xanthious (Sat Jul 30 2005 13:57:11)

     P2P Blockers. . . ummm ok. Great. P2P is slow and unreliable anyway. A good
     portion of piracy goes on through newsgroups and that is in no way what so
     ever P2P. You simply pay a monthly fee or get accesss from your ISP if its
     included, access a server and download til your hearts content whatever is
     on the server (Which literally is millions of files). So while stopping P2P
     may happen, which is unlikely at best, it wont stop piracy. Pirates will
     always find a way. Its been going on for decades and it wont stop anytime
     soon. Its too widespread sadly and the music and movie industry cant stop it
     as hard as they might try. The movie and music industry is already making
     strides to meet people in the middle becaue they know that stopping it isnt
     an option. I for one dont really get into it all that much as I prefer to
     have boxes and labels and stuff that comes from a store and I can afford to
     go out and get it so its no big deal to me. I know it exists though and Im
     not blind to the fact. As I said before its just too widespread to stop and
     pirates are too determined not to pay for what they want. To give you an
     idea of just how widespread it has become my minister, yes kids I said my
     minister, recently let me borrow a copy of a movie that he made himself at
     home.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
darth_nax (Sat Jul 30 2005 21:49:54)

     > my minister, yes kids I said my minister, recently let me borrow a copy of
     > a movie that he made himself at home.

     E-mail me, we can get alot from that sort of home made movie if it has a
     real live minister in it.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
imdb-8471 (Fri Jul 29 2005 07:57:40)

     Maybe you're an idiot and don't realize that copyright infringement of the
     variety committed when downloading a movie is a civil offense, which can
     only be remedied by bringing an action in civil court (a lawsuit). No one
     will be "charged" with anything unless they are on a street corner selling
     dvd's. And if fox wanted to sue people, deleting the movie wouldn't save
     them. I hope for anyone who downloaded the leak's sake you are on fox's
     legal team, then they'll be safe.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
dead-killa (Fri Jul 29 2005 14:31:03)

     lol if fox ever came 2 my door id run 2 my computer and fry my hard drive it
     many not prevent my eventually money loss but it will probably prevent sum
     of it hopefully

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Jack_Mehoffer (Fri Jul 29 2005 14:39:26)

     Deleting it wouldn't matter if they have documented you downloading it (IP
     Address, MAC Address of your network card, times logged onto your internet
     provider). Then it would be on you to prove otherwise which would be very
     difficult.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Baby_Gorillia (Fri Jul 29 2005 14:48:11)

     And a lot of people don't even know how to propperly delete something.

     When you delete something, it just takes it off of the indexing system, it
     remains on the harddrive until it is completely overwritten.

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     This message has been deleted by the poster

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
asssack2 (Fri Jul 29 2005 19:32:21)    UPDATED Fri Jul 29 2005 22:58:06

     lmao.. stop scaring the people.. ohhh im so scared fox is going after
     downloaders.. LMAO!

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
peoplesyak (Sat Jul 30 2005 02:13:45)

     You have the greatest name ever.

     "Right you are, Mr. Mehoffer." - Bill O'Reilly

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
pr-master-23 (Sat Jul 30 2005 09:43:59)

     100% of the music get into the P2P Network
     95% of the pc games get into the P2P Network
     100% of the movies get into the P2P Network

     you think FOX will charge everybody for a stupid
     animated movie, you are stupid man, lol
     if they make the stupid windows with pirate blockers,
     eventualy someone will pass that protection :D

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
g00dbyed0g (Sat Jul 30 2005 13:34:30)

     Check out Ebay! Jerks are making copies and selling them there righht now.
     If the Great and Scary Fox doesn't stop even that .... you really think they
     will pinpoint someone who d/l'ed it in an hour? puhleeeeeze

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
herbalizah (Sat Jul 30 2005 13:51:53)

     good one, fox must have a really laaaaarge budget to sue everyone :D
     and piracyblockers in windows? come on! the day they launch that, it will be
     cracked, patched, hacked within 1 hour....

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 15:11:21)

     If ISP's were forced to verify the authenticity of the Windows installation
     blocking P2P would be easy and there would be no way to "hack" or "crack"
     it.

     This is a capatlist country, the MPAA and RIAA own this government, sharing
     chunks of it with every other multi-million dollor conglomerate. Like it or
     not America is the worlds only super power as well, How we practice law
     influences every developed nation in the world.

     All I hear is blahblahblah, does anybody that is educated on this subject
     want to discuss it? or should I just start ignoring this ignorant thread?

     "Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
     G.W.B.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Dstreelm (Sat Jul 30 2005 15:26:28)

     exactly, fox will not be charging people for downloading it because it is a
     wast of time.

     And people are freaking out about this downloading thing. there is a simple
     way to get around trouble for downloading anything. Lets take a cd for
     example. If i were to download an album and the RIAA went after me, I'd do
     one thing...go to the store and buy it. once you've paid money for a cd, it
     is legal to have it ripped onto your computer. it doesnt matter where you
     got it from. so i could buy the real copy for every album on my computer and
     leave them in the damn wrapper and theres not a dmn thing anyone can do.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
santas77 (Sat Jul 30 2005 15:32:26)

     how do you figure, name one piece of software our there that someone hasn't
     hacked. Even the mighty Steam can be hacked and people play Half life 2 for
     free even tho their new sytsem was supposed to shut that down. And that guy
     who was talking about P2P was right. P2P sucks now, only idiots use it.
     Bittorrent and newsgroups are how people get files and i say good luck
     trying to stop them. Go to thepiratebay.org, they have a legal section full
     of letters and emails from companies legally threatening them, and then they
     have a response section where they ridicule them and make fun of them
     becuase they are in Sweden and there is nothing they can do. There are tons
     of letters and nothing has been done yet. You are naive to think, especially
     in this country, that the government is going to be able to stop something
     underground like this, especially when it deals with software and its not
     the government officials or CEO's that know how to code and hack. They are
     too ignorant to be able to stop something like this. good luck to them tho

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 15:57:58)

     I got halfway through your post before I rolled my eyes, BT is P2p.

     Dude who's name starts with "D" you're wrong in terms of legality, that
     would be like walking into a store, taking something and then coming back
     later to pay for it.

     santas again - stop doing everything with your connection, infact turn your
     computer off and look at your cable/DSL modem. see how its still blinking?
     its still communicating with the DNS, ISP's have experimented with placing
     programs in their systems to know everything about your computer and can
     already tell if you use a corporate version of windows (the only "cracked"
     windows availible) and could shut you down if they wanted too already, They
     wont because it would be bad for bussiness, if the law forced them to they
     would have to. Right now technical information (file and computer
     specifications mostly) are not considered private works, therefor privacy is
     not a legal issue regarding it.

     If it were to happen there would be a countless number of ways involving
     numerous methods to enforce this on both the operating systems side and the
     ISP's side. So experts could comb out anything that could put the system in
     danger of being so called "cracked". Because they have the initiative they
     would always be one step ahead of the "hey i just learned python!" kids, and
     the system would most likely be remotely interactive with files that the
     operating system would not run without making the only "crack" suggestion I
     could ever hear in my life that doesen't make me laugh involve placing a
     counter program on the MS server.... goodluck with that.

     "Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
     G.W.B.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
sarahjones1982 (Sat Jul 30 2005 20:55:09)

     I'm borrowing someone's account to reply. While a lot of what you're saying
     is being considered and being discussed in various legal instances, most of
     the legislation regarding peer to peer networking (for example the INDUCE
     act which is presently dead) hasn't gone through. There are various legal
     implications for downloading any copyrighted work unless it was acquired
     through a fair use means, or its copyright is something similar to copyleft
     as mentioned earlier. As far as Fox literally charging everyone for
     downloading the movie, that's quite absurd but I'm sure the MPAA is keeping
     a close eye on the distribution of this (and any other leaked movie) over
     peer to peer networking as part of their plan for more strict legislation
     and better access to go after copyright violators. At the same time many
     ISPs both big and small continue to refuse to turn over usage records when
     subpoened (the RIAA had a problem with this as well). I understand you're
     wanting to protect the intellectual property of this movie and it is illegal
     to download it, but scare tactics aren't exactly on the level. On a side
     note your whole rant about locking down Windows isn't totally true either,
     Microsoft's plan for Windows was something called Palladium which
     incorporated locking instruction sets used for various types of acceleration
     (for example MPEG acceleration used by CPUs and video cards) from the BIOS
     level if digital rights were not granted effectively demobilizing media
     players. There will always be workarounds to this sort of thing and even the
     slashdot crowd is well aware Microsoft has made no immediate plans to stop
     peer to peer networking via windows (it would be a mess involving constantly
     closing open ports). Whether ISPs do something about standard configurations
     is another issue but for the time being nothing including legal action is
     going to stop the legions of kiddies and college students from downloading
     movies and music off the internet.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
pgaule (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:00:09) UPDATED Sat Jul 30 2005 16:04:13

     Please don't speak of technological matters that you are clueless of. First
     of all, no one has ever been sued for merely downloading pirated material.
     The fact that you don't realize this only proves your ignorance.

     The only people who have been sued by the entertainment industry for similar
     actions were sued because they were also *uploading* the material, usually
     unknowingly via BitTorrent. Unless the media industry is hosting the files
     themselves, they have no way to track people who have only downloaded the
     material. It's a simple concept, but one that escapes people who are
     clueless about filesharing such as yourself.

     Second of all, if someone has already been "caught" with distributing the
     material, then deleting the offending file will do absolutely no good. Once
     again, anybody who has a basic understanding of PCs and peer-to-peer would
     understand this. You are completely ignorant in both these areas, and it
     would be wise of you to shut up before you make yourself look like an even
     bigger dolt.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:11:00)

     Firstly people have been sued for only downloading or "leeching" copyrighted
     material, infact thousands in america have.

     Secondly every unencrypted peice of data that passes through a broadband
     line is recorded and stored and it can be tracked, the FCC tracks over
     30,000 files at any given time using a prototype copy.

     I must be pretty clueless to have gotten my major in computer science which
     is beyond PC technology. What exactly qualifies you to inform people about
     anything regarding computer technology? please don't say a A+ or Network+
     certification, I still havent stopped laughing at santas yet.

     "Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
     G.W.B.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:25:02)

     And just for the record my initial post, being the topic was originaly
     intended to be my conspiracy theory but my supervisor walked up and looked
     at my screen.

     "Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
     G.W.B.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
santas77 (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:27:17)

     whats to laugh about... you keep saying that the government could do all
     these things and take everybody out, yet i dont see it goin down...like i
     said, good luck to them trying to shut this down. when it happens, then u
     can laugh, for now just tell me whats funny, also computer science isnt
     gonna help you with legalities...im sure you can code and make algorithms
     just fine...also ive know people who have gotten letters from the mpaa for
     having 'unwanted' files being shared here at my school, they didnt get sued,
     they got a letter, a big scary letter, and that was only because they were
     on public hubs on direct connect which is their own fault, u act like every
     private citizen is gonna get a knock from the secret police and placed in
     front of the firing squad for having mp3's. And have you ever heard of an ip
     blocker mr computer science? or a faking your mac address. also computer
     science is not beyond technology, my roomate is a computer science major and
     he doesnt know that much about the technology, its logic, psued-code, and
     algorithms...you dont need to know anything about technology really, only a
     basic understanding. and files are private, only files that are being shared
     can be used by ur so called "exprets". and do a little research, the mpaa
     and the like arent going to enforce the hell outta this and start bringing
     everyone in becuase the truth is, if you did any research, that they've made
     more money since the rise in piracy. but ur not one for facts are you? keep
     laughing tho. im enjoying this.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:29:50)

     "for now just tell me whats funny"
     You're ignorance, you have no idea what you are talking about, you actualy
     think you can "block" your IP address and be anonymous - even and exspecialy
     to the service provider? - LMAO!

     "Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
     G.W.B.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
slackery840 (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:28:01) UPDATED Sat Jul 30 2005 16:28:35

     you're obviously not familiar with how the BitTorrent system works... good
     luck FOX...

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
santas77 (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:33:12)

     finally someone with some sense

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:42:13)

     ^ finaly you managed to post something that didn't mutate the english
     language.

     "Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
     G.W.B.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
santas77 (Sat Jul 30 2005 16:45:28)

     now your're just getting angry, you're not even on topic anymore. im done
     with you. good luck with the computer science gig. I really wish you the
     best. At least you stuck by your point. and if we want to get into
     technicalities, check your first post. The one that says 'than' instead of
     'then'. I guess we all mutate it every now and again. No biggie though right
     pal?

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
m1th0tyn-h4x (Sat Jul 30 2005 17:41:02)

     Yeah, some of us mutate it every few paragraphs, others every few words.
     Heck its not even english anymore really the more appropriate term for
     modern english is "american". I.E. "I speak Spanish, American,
     German...ect,ect'

     "Fool me once, shame on.. who? well.. you're not gonna fool me again!" -
     G.W.B.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
sidvarma (Sat Jul 30 2005 18:53:31)

     just nitpicking. the quote you use as your sig is completely inaccurate.
     George W. actually said,

     "There's an old saying in Tennessee - I know it's in Texas, probably in
     Tennessee - that says, fool me once, shame on - shame on you. Fool me - you
     can't get fooled again."

     Again, nitpicking. Don't worry about it too much, though. Everything else
     you've said seems to be pretty inaccurate as well.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
madness239 (Sat Jul 30 2005 21:06:20)

     I would not believe a word you typed. If you have a major in computer
     science then you are obviously educated way beyond your intelligence.

     You said:
     "every unencrypted peice of data that passes through a broadband line is
     recorded and stored"

     Son, go back to your cubicle and answer that tier 1 aol support phone call.
     Let the grown ups talk.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
darth_nax (Sat Jul 30 2005 23:49:54)

     > Firstly people have been sued for only downloading or "leeching"
     > copyrighted material, infact thousands in america have.

     Ok, I gotta call this one.

     SOURCE PLEASE!!!

     No one has gotten sued for D/L. The laws for file sharing are the same as
     those for prohibition. It's illegal to make, deliver, share, sell, give,
     distribute or in any way cause any of the above but was NEVER illegal to
     drink, just as it's not illegal to d/l.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
kjcdude (Sat Jul 30 2005 19:09:42)

     Sure ;)

     The day that happens...

     There is no way there gona charge the allready over 24,000 from min*nova
     alone in a single lawsuit.

     If there smart, which they arent, they would sue the company who hosts the
     torrents.

     Theres been only about 4 BIG sites in the past years that have been suid and
     succesfully shut down to there hosting.

     And you expect Fox, by itself, to sue these bagillion people for downloading
     Family Guy the Movie, sure...

     The same government there trying to use to stop those from downloading the
     movie is the same government that is preventing them from accomplishing
     that.

     TheOCSucks.com The OC Sucks .com

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
RedsFan1023 (Sat Jul 30 2005 20:35:53)

     Oh FOX what a joke of a company.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Nephilim-6 (Sat Jul 30 2005 20:39:42) UPDATED Sat Jul 30 2005 20:47:39

     in holland downloading copyrighted material is legal. uploading it is
     illegal. so unless I was allready traced.. tough luck. (I didn't upload the
     entire thing anyway.)

     furthermore. I treat downloading as a means of determining if something is
     good or not. if it is I WILL buy the thing I downloaded.(this is also
     practically a nescessity in an age where 'artists' produce so much crap.
     E.G. CDs with only 1 good song on it and the rest crap while they are sold
     at a price that is too expensive. same with movies.) Thus I will buy the DVD
     when it comes out. Assuming I can afford it by then. I liked this movie.
     It's not brilliant but it's good. And I will buy it.

     Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy
     un-evolved? - Bill Hicks

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
djrelik69 (Sat Jul 30 2005 21:56:11)

     Blah Blah Blah...

     Bittorrent now acounts for more than a third of all internet traffic.

     Microsoft are working on their own BT client.

     Now what does that tell you?

     It tells me fox have pipe dreams.

Re: Fox tracing leakout, Will charge downloaders.
Nephilim-6 (Sun Jul 31 2005 05:46:39)

     I must say I find the whole thing funny considering the piracy joke in the
     movie where Quagmire secretly has to make a pirate copy. Very Ironic

     Did you ever notice that people who believe in creationism look realy
     un-evolved? - Bill Hicks

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