[spectre] New podcast: Élisabeth Lebovici reflects on the AIDS crisis during the 80s

[Radio Web MACBA]

*New podcast:* <https://rwm.macba.cat/en/sonia/elisabeth-lebovici/capsula>*
Élisabeth
Lebovici <https://rwm.macba.cat/en/sonia/elisabeth-lebovici/capsula> i**nvites
us to engage with silence. *A silence that sometimes inspires and
accompanies us, but more often imprisons and isolates us. Silence = Death,
said an eighties ACT UP slogan. Lebovici reflects on the AIDS crisis during
that decade, and on the crucial role of conceptual art and activism in
shaping the new visual and affective paradigms which gave voice to
communities that the capitalist, liquefied society was (and still is)
striving to smother. We also talk about poetry, pornography, and all that
art that museums balk at hanging on their walls.

Link: https://rwm.macba.cat/en/sonia/elisabeth-lebovici/capsula

When you’re in the business of recording podcasts at a museum, things can’t
get much worse than having Élisabeth Lebovici at the microphone when your
voice recorder decides to add noise and distortion, and not knowing what’s
going on or how to fix it. With her characteristic humour and lucidity,
Lebovici incorporated the mishap into her discourse and our conversation
flowed smoothly, skirting artifacts and cold sweats. The fragility of the
moment, words erased and forgotten, and our determination to keep recording
are now part of this document.

Élisabeth Lebovici is an art historian, critic, and activist. She was
culture editor of the French newspaper Libération, and is currently the
writer of the blog "Le Beau Vice". In her latest book, "Ce que le sida m'a
fait: art et activisme à la fin du XXe siècle", she draws on personal
experience to reconstruct the effects of the AIDS crisis on our ways of
living in the world, interacting with each other, and representing
ourselves. Over the years, embracing activism and artistic practices,
Élisabeth Lebovici has woven a history of feminist, lesbian, queer, and
dissident art that diverges from the dominant narratives of patriarchal
heteronormativity.

*Sounds taken from Anna Irina Russell's blind foley library*

*Timeline*
*00:00* Silence is something that needs to be challenged
*00:52* Intro
*03:21* Silence = Death
*05:00* Audre Lorde: Your silence will not protect you
*06:00* I work with free associations and experience
*07:02* In the impossibility of speaking
*09:02* Silence is linked to many activities I love
*09:52* Poetry essentially has to be spoken
*12:02* Emptying the words. Poetry as a space
*14:20* Poetry and activism in the streets: Banners.
*15:39* The lips and the Museum. Zoe Leonard
*17:45* A Museum is always half empty. We (women) are not there
*19:45* How do those lips speak?
*23:55* Act up. AIDS crisis. Why is anybody paying attention? Politics in
our bodies
*26:27* Invisible communities. Invisibility of the lesbians
*31:42* Is not about saying that we should be diverse, but just to
surrender to the fact that we are.
*34:59* I use the word lesbian. I don't say queer
*37:55* Conceptual practices, pop culture, AIDS and activism
*41:10* Liquidification of society. Liquidification of images. Intimate
liquids
*43:44* The eighties, a moment of desublimation

*E/N/J/O/Y*
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