[spectre] Another correction/ A just term is: "but"...

Tue Jan 25 13:57:39 CET 2005

Sorry of my anglophone problems... I mean of the question so deep among the
community for instance I have absolutely to correct a new time this part
(here is the good formulation as I am not denying of course - the media does
taking of the situation could do it) :

> Personally as a united French woman regarding Florence Aubenas hostage I
> boycott this sort of free media WHICH denying of the real materialistic
situation
> against freedom and predictive freedom to be realized.

L.

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> Please do not worry of any project against the persons from my part. I
> am convinced of the good intention of the media at first.
>
> But to be serious: which church but one Christian just the daytime of the
> remembrance of the Shoah?
>
> Really Europe cannot dream in matter of monotheist religions.
>
> Who were not guilty BUT resistances here and there ?
>
> Who will not be guilty but resistances here and there ?
>
>
>     Iraq : who is not guilty at the actual?
>
> French journalist of the newspaper Liberation worked on the question of
the
> women vote in Iraq, and neck know what arrived at her.
>
> I think of a situation exactly looking the same as Viet Nam war with the
> bonzes sacrifying themselves alive by the fire in the city of the legal
> governement as the beginning to "the end": "apocalyse" notably to the
> american part inside and outside-. Remember of the pacific bonzes taking a
> stand of their self-violence against the regime of the US-Vietnamese
> coalition in place, as they call the Vietnamese people beside the
communists
> in resistance. So we are able to imagine how the vision of two good
> montheisms against one bad monotheism in several faces named Islamists in
> resistance would not tell of the real united state of the resistance in
> Iraq.
>
> For another part I am French and the journalist -she could be my friend in
> matter of ideas ( we have a common friend )- so any questions appear to be
> reflected outside of our own part front of the war. That was the objective
> of my rude first mail : to have any debate soon ont he question of free
> media in time of the quesiton of the human sources.
>
> Personally as a united French woman regarding Florence Aubenas hostage I
> boycott this sort of free media denying of the real materialistic
situation
> against freedom and predictive freedom to be realized.
>
> Instead of acting the peace which has to precede representative elections
> the war and the repression are more reinforced.
>
> The vote in the situation of the civil war could not reveal anything or
the
> same associated power still at the power.
>
> Cheers
> L.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "stephen kovats" <kovats at v2.nl>
> To: "spectre" <spectre at mikrolisten.de>
> Cc: <jo at xs4all.nl>
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: !!! Re: [spectre] (FW Jo van der Spek) STREAMTIME:
> Internetradio onelection day Iraq
>
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > whether the mail I forwarded is sincere or not perhaps remains to be
seen.
> > Jo van der Spek has 'been there and back', and even if we were to debate
> the
> > legitimacy of any electoral system in Iraq, the attempt to open up the
> > process via 'streaming activism' is entirely worthy. Spectre is the
place
> to
> > take these kinds of initiaves up - not as a generic free for all post-up
> > board, but as a means of media(ted) collaboration.
> >
> > As for the comment/statement below from L ... this is certainly one of
the
> > most criptically bizarre bits of linguistic meltdown I have seen in a
long
> > time. Maybe the worm resides here ...
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > S.
> >
> > > Crazy mail!
> > >
> > > Please let see and think from whose part is coming the first mail and
> you
> > > will know of which disguised manipulation it is asked to you to be a
> > > predictable object.
> > >
> > > L.
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "stephen kovats" <kovats at v2.nl>
> > > To: "spectre" <spectre at mikrolisten.de>
> > > Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:55 AM
> > > Subject: [spectre] (FW Jo van der Spek) STREAMTIME: Internet radio
> > > onelection day Iraq
> > >
> > >
> > >> - Free voices from voters via Internet radio on election day in Iraq
> ...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> ------ Weitergeleitete Nachricht
> > >> Von: jo van der spek <jo at xs4all.nl>
> > >> Datum: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 08:40:07 +0100
> > >>
> > >> STREAMTIME: Internet radio on election day Iraq
> > >>
> > >> STREAMTIME RADIO PROGRAM COVERS ELECTIONS IN IRAQ ON JANUARY 30TH
> > >> 2 - 6 p.m. (Central European Time)
> > >>
> > >> free voices from voters in Iraq
> > >>
> > >> On January 30th Iraqis are called to vote for the interim national
> > >> assembly. It will be a day of hope and violence, no doubt.
> > >> Streamtime will be an on-line platform for direct and independent
> > > reporting
> > >> and discussion.
> > >> Our stream will start at 2 p.m.: radio on internet!
> > >> We don't just want votes, but Iraqi voices to be heard worldwide.
> > >>
> > >> We call on people in Iraq and the diaspora to send us messages, join
a
> > > chat
> > >> or be available on the telephone, so we can hear from you directly
> what's
> > >> going on.
> > >> You don't have to be a reporter to report!
> > >> We welcome Arabic, English and other languages.
> > >>
> > >> We will broadcast from 2-6 p.m. (Central European Time) on the
internet
> > >> (streaming) and moderate a public chat.
> > >> We will invite people from the audience for interviews in our on-line
> > >> studio and have them partcipate actively in the program.
> > >>
> > >> This program will be part of a public meeting in Amsterdam, Holland
> from 2
> > >> till 6 p.m. (in the
> > >> Beurs van Berlage, Damrak 1, Amsterdam), organized by Pax Christi,
> Church
> > >> Peace Council
> > >> (IKV) and HIVOS.
> > >>
> > >> Streamtime is a project promoting free media in Iraq. We combine old
> media
> > >> such as local
> > >> radio in combination with new media (internet, web site, blogging,
> > >> streaming).
> > >>
> > >> for the latest information visit
> > >> http://www.streamtime.org
> > >> or email: irakdesk at xminy.nl
> > >> or phone +31.20.6279661
> > >> or fax: +31.20.6228229
> > >>
> > >> Jo van der Spek
> > >> Salam Khedher
> > >>
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> > >>
> > >> ------ Ende der weitergeleiteten Nachricht
> > >>
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